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Aug 8, 2012 5:46:11 GMT -5
Post by Addison's girl on Aug 8, 2012 5:46:11 GMT -5
Did David lie to Maddie's father about asking her to marry him. In the last episode Cool Hand Dave the prisoners were urging him to ask her to marry him to make her happy (he told them before the song number that neither was ready for a commitment so he hadn't asked her during that month)then he tried to call her to no avail. The final scene shows him listening to his telephone message where Maddie thanks him for not going to Chicago and that she loves him. I doubt after that message he would call to ask for her hand. So when did he ask her?
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Aug 8, 2012 8:39:09 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2012 8:39:09 GMT -5
I think he did it during that month. I don't believe he lied to Alex.
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Post by Addison's girl on Aug 8, 2012 9:28:06 GMT -5
No not true n In CHD he tells prisoner neither of them was ready to make a commitment. They tell him to put aside his hurt and anger and ask her.
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Aug 8, 2012 16:20:18 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2012 16:20:18 GMT -5
No not true n In CHD he tells prisoner neither of them was ready to make a commitment. Not true?? Well that's what I believe, period. And she surely wasn't ready. It could easily have been that he asked her (maybe not in the way she thought it was supposed to be done), she said no, and from then on he decided to play it light and step back. I can perfectly well imagine that scenario.
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Aug 8, 2012 21:11:23 GMT -5
Post by Addison's girl on Aug 8, 2012 21:11:23 GMT -5
Now you are going against what the character and the episode relays to the audience. The writers through the prisoners and David informed us the audience of how David felt and what he had done or not done. One prisoner asks David if he has a girl David goes on to tell them their story; he tells them about Sam and not knowing if the baby is even his. Another prisoner turns to him and says you mean to tell me she may be having your baby and you're not even related. David tells him that neither of them was ready for a commitment..which I take to mean he didn't ask her to marry him because that is a huge commitment. Then the prisoners tell him that he has to do the right thing by her and ask her to marry him..then the song. So wouldn't he have told them that he had asked her and she said no? I mean he told them everything else about their relationship including Sam and her running away. I just happen to think this is just one of David's lies to make him seem like a better man to Mr. Hayes.
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Aug 17, 2012 4:32:04 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2012 4:32:04 GMT -5
Blimey, I just saw this - must have escaped me while I was sunbathing David tells him that neither of them was ready for a commitment..which I take to mean he didn't ask her to marry him because that is a huge commitment. That's exactly my point, Sue - you take it that way, and that's perfectly all right, because everyone of us is perceiving things differently. Fact is, he doesn't say that he didn't ask her, you just assume that. It could be either way. I got that. And I happen to think that he did not lie to Alex. To me he looks totally honest in this scene. And after what he had told Maddie's father about her sleeping with two men and then running away from him after a month, Alex already had gotten the point David was trying to make - that he was not the bad guy here (I'm not saying Maddie was the bad guy either!); it was unnecessary to add a fairytale about a proposal that never took place IMO. And as for your "just one of David's lies" - well, we've had this discussion a few times; I stick to it: to me, David is a honest man and does not lie about things that really matter just for the sake of looking better or manipulating people. So, I don't believe that he lied to Alexander. From what we see on the show, we'll never be able to know for sure what happened - it could have been either way, and you and I have different ways of interpreting it. I'm not saying my interpretation is or must be the right one; but you started this thread with a question, and I said how I personally feel and think about it.
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Aug 17, 2012 8:14:58 GMT -5
Post by Addison's girl on Aug 17, 2012 8:14:58 GMT -5
Well if you watch Cool Hand Dave carefully you will see that he did not ask her to marry him. David says they weren't ready for a commitment. They prisoners insist he has to ask her. So if he did ask her he would have told them I asked her and she said no.
So if he didn't ask her before he had to ask her when she was in Chicago and although he did try to call and ask her in desperation in CHD, I highly doubt once he returned home and thought it over that he would ask Maddie such an important question over the phone. So then did he forget he didn't ask her?
And didn't David lie about not meeting Sam before the dinner in Sam and and Dave? I mean you said Sam lied about not meeting David so doesn't the lie go both ways?
I believe David is essentially a good man but I know we disagree on this issue but the way he handles turmoil is by drinking and lying not the best characteristics in a mate. We see David has matured when Maddie is away taking care of Blue Moon (uh after it bottomed out) and not relying on the bottle but Maddie doesn't know this.
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Aug 17, 2012 8:59:26 GMT -5
Post by Addison's girl on Aug 17, 2012 8:59:26 GMT -5
BTW I love how he says 'Yeah I got a girl.'
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Aug 17, 2012 11:12:45 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2012 11:12:45 GMT -5
So if he did ask her he would have told them I asked her and she said no. Again: that's what you assume. It's not a proof. And what's your point? Yes David didn't reveal that encounter - because he was insecure about Sam's appearance and his role in Maddie's life. To me, what makes a lie or hiding the truth damnable is the intention behind it.
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Aug 17, 2012 11:13:53 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2012 11:13:53 GMT -5
BTW I love how he says 'Yeah I got a girl.' Yes, me too!!! That warms my heart!
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Aug 17, 2012 14:23:19 GMT -5
Post by Addison's girl on Aug 17, 2012 14:23:19 GMT -5
And what's your point? Yes David didn't reveal that encounter - because he was insecure about Sam's appearance and his role in Maddie's life. To me, what makes a lie or hiding the truth damnable is the intention behind it. |
Why I brought that up is because I remember someone (I thought it was you) stipulating that Sam was a snake because he didn't reveal he had met (well they never actually were introduced) David prior to the dinner in Sam and Dave.
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Aug 17, 2012 14:28:21 GMT -5
Post by Addison's girl on Aug 17, 2012 14:28:21 GMT -5
Again: that's what you assume. It's not a proof. |
Sorry but I do find it more proof than assumption. He bares his heart to the prisoners; tells them about Sam, tells them about the tryst in the laundromat, admits it may not be his baby (love how one guy says that's the saddest thing I ever heard lol)but when they get angry at him for not proposing; tell him they though t he was a stand up guy.. he just stays silent? Why? Makes no sense at all for him not to have said I asked her she said no.
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Aug 17, 2012 15:50:23 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2012 15:50:23 GMT -5
Yes I got that. I was just confused because it has nothing to do with the question we're discussing here (if he lied to Alex or not). Well, sure Sam was a snake because of that -- compare their reasons, that's all I say. Surely you're not saying that Sam's silence and David's silence about their previous encounter have the same moral quality?
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Aug 17, 2012 15:57:31 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2012 15:57:31 GMT -5
Makes no sense at all for him not to have said I asked her she said no. Makes no sense? Maybe. I repeat: just because it makes no sense not telling them that's not a proof that it never happened. Especially not in the case of David and Maddie - as if they had acted always according to common sense (unless what Maddie claims LOL)! But again: I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind, I'm just telling you my opinion here.
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Aug 17, 2012 16:06:15 GMT -5
Post by Addison's girl on Aug 17, 2012 16:06:15 GMT -5
Well then when did it happen? Why was he running to a phone to call her to propose asap if he had already asked her?
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