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Post by Addison's girl on Jul 28, 2012 14:56:47 GMT -5
What do you think were the reasons that David chose not to speak when Maddie was asking him how he felt about her? Was it fear of her turning him down and going with Sam anyway? Was it because he wasn't sure if he was willing to give her the promise of commitment? Was it because he wasn't sure what he felt? Was it because he felt maybe she was better off with Sam? Or what???
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2012 16:00:28 GMT -5
First, he was hurt and confused that Maddie hadn't mentioned Sam's proposal to him when she had shown up at his place the night before.
Second, her reaction when he confronts her about the proposal - he didn't understand anything any more. Only a few hours before, when they had parted right after sunset, they had been so at ease with each other, and it was absolutely not understandable for David what had changed between them in these few hours. She told him furiously that it was nothing of his goddamn business?
Third - her demand itself - and the way she made it. He had thought everything was settled between them, that previous night when they had shared that moment of intimacy on his trunk, a moment Maddie herself had declared a major event. He had no idea what the hell she was talking about. And it didn't surely help that she presented Sam as a shining example for the perfect man because he had proposed (not commenting on the quality of that proposal itself here).
Adding the previous points, he decided that, if she really saw it that way (that she had no idea about how he felt, he would for ever hold his peace, although it nearly tore him apart.
To make it clear: of course I think that he should have spoken, of course I think that he should have grabbed her by the shoulders and shaken her and yell what kind of stupid question is this?? Of course I love you! He should have. But I understand why in this moment he didn't - because he just couldn't.
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Post by Addison's girl on Jul 28, 2012 16:20:40 GMT -5
Yes he should have.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2012 17:27:07 GMT -5
Yes he should have. Well we were looking for the reasons... what do you think were his reasons? |
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Post by Addison's girl on Jul 28, 2012 19:43:06 GMT -5
I don't think his reasons had anything to do with Sam. He wanted to talk to her until she turned the tables on him and wanted him to admit his feelings to her. She was right when she told him that he wanted her to tell him everything while he said nothing. Why didn't he want to tell her his feelings? He knew by this time Maddie had feelings for him so why was he so gun shy? I doubt he thought that Maddie was cruel enough to lord it over him if he admitted he cared. I also think that her showing up at his place the night before made him realize she was conflicted but she loved him and would not marry Sam. He wanted to know why she didn't mention it to him when she went to his house. Why didn't she?
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Post by Addison's girl on Jul 28, 2012 19:49:26 GMT -5
Maddie herself had declared a major event. He had no idea what the hell she was talking about. And it didn't surely help that she presented Sam as a shining example for the perfect man because he had proposed (not commenting on the quality of that proposal itself here).
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First of all, i think Maddie was talking about her kiss with David as being a major event. And how was she presenting Sam as the perfect man because he proposed? That doesn't make any sense to me. Maddie said to David 'Yes, he asked me and no I didn't say yes but I am thinking about it.' Then she turns to David as says to him 'He is willing to make a commitment to me. How about you?' David remains silent because she has his back against a wall and no at that point I don't think he is willing to make that commitment to her. If you fast forward to Cool Hand Davie he tells the other prisoners when they ask him about commitment..that no they weren't ready for that step..well Maddie was... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2012 4:11:44 GMT -5
Well obviously we perceive things differently! By the way, I don't think that Maddie was ready for THEM in what form ever. She made it look like to her the commitment itself was more important than the person, and to me that's just plainly wrong. In that moment it was way to soon for a proosal, and surely David hadn't thought that far.
And seriously, what did she tell him?? She was as tongue-tied as he was. They were both terrified as hell.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2012 4:25:35 GMT -5
Oh and I really don't think she was referring to the kiss, beautiful as it was. The other major events she mentioned were really turning points in her life.
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Post by Addison's girl on Jul 29, 2012 9:59:02 GMT -5
Even Sam tells her in the car 'Maybe its not that you don't want to get married maybe you just don't want to marry me' she just puts her head down. I am not saying that she wants a proposal from David at that point. That would have been just ridiculous (as was Sam's proposal after how many years of silence) but I do think she wanted David to say something to the effect of 'Don't marry Sam. Give us a chance.' That would have made all the difference in the world to her. And I also think that by having their first time be so turbulent after saying such vicious words to each other maybe led to her uneasiness the following morning than if they had made love the first time under different circumstances.
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Post by Addison's girl on Jul 29, 2012 10:01:09 GMT -5
Going to post that question on FB board LOL
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2012 14:20:49 GMT -5
I do think she wanted David to say something to the effect of 'Don't marry Sam. Give us a chance.' That would have made all the difference in the world to her. Yes, I believe that too, and as I said - of course he should have said that. But I can understand why he didn't. Although I'm not sure that a mere Give us a chance would have been enough of a commitment to her (I can imagine her answering like "A chance? Chance for what? Us? What do you mean, there is no us!" LOL), but it would have been a start. |
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Post by Addison's girl on Jul 29, 2012 18:08:45 GMT -5
I doubt at that instance she would have told him there was no 'us' especially as she had just said to him at his place..'but you and me' doesn't that equal an us? LOL
Truly I think she would have been satisfied with that little bit from him as yes a start!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2012 4:10:25 GMT -5
Re-reading this after our discussion on twitter yesterday (it's becoming our personal dead horse, Sue LOL) I noticed that you never answered my question: what did she tell him?
You said she was right when she said he wanted her to tell him everything and didn't say nothing. What did she actually tell him?
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Post by Addison's girl on Aug 2, 2012 9:44:26 GMT -5
Yes it is our dead horse LOL LOL She didn't say she told him anything. She said to him "You want me to tell you everything. But you tell me nothing."
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Post by Addison's girl on Aug 2, 2012 9:48:25 GMT -5
In my twisted brain I think that non impulsive Maddie Hayes showing up at his place in the middle of the night with sneakers and a coat over her nightgown told him everything he needed to know regarding her feelings for him. If she didn't want him why would she bother going to to find out what he wanted to tell her at the restaurant? And the way she says ..'and me and you' and he should have said something. He didn't know about the proposal yet. Why just stare at her? Was he still asleep? Or do you think he thought it was a cruel hoax of hrs trying to get him to say he wanted hr then choose Sam?
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