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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2012 15:10:16 GMT -5
Hey that's not true nor fair!! It depends on how you say something!! Putting it like Maddie did ("HE is willing to make a commitment, how about YOU?"), and in a reproachful, aggressive tone makes it a competition in my eyes - I understand perfectly and accept that you don't agree, but that happens to be my opinion on that. If she had said (and best when she went to his apartment to talk) "I just want you to know that Sam proposed to me, and I'm really confused about it, because in my mind I know he's perfect for me, but my heart doesn't seem to care..." - that would have been honest and have shown him that she really cared, and I'm quite sure he would have opened himself up more. But I know that simply wasn't a Maddie thing to do, because they were both tongue tied and afraid to give away too much - or at least more than the other.
Oh, and about the hurtful things: I mean the "you're not tge jilted anything" and "it's nothing of your goddamn business".
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Post by Addison's girl on Aug 11, 2012 19:10:18 GMT -5
she wasn't reproachful or aggressive..just assertive. And her telling him : you're not the jilted anything didn't mean anything bad toward him! She did not mean is was nothing to her! She meant that he wasn't saying he was her lover, boyfriend ..anything..that's what she meant. and it really wasn't his business; he wasn't her bf or lover at this point. Sorry but she didn't want him to know about the proposal and that was her PREROGATIVE to tell him or not!
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Post by Addison's girl on Aug 11, 2012 19:11:29 GMT -5
To me she sounded frustrated when she told him you're not the jilted anything
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 8:07:04 GMT -5
But it's not the point how she meant it - as I've said many times, I don't believe there was one moment that she wanted to hurt him deliberately! The point is the way it made him feel, and you can clearly see it hurt him. Try to put yourself in his shoes - to hear that you're not anything simply hurts (same as it wasn't nice for Sam to hear "Nobody's asking you anything!" - but of course I won't shed a tear for him ) As for the nothing of his business: we've had this debate already, and I disagree -- I think it is his business, and that she hides it is plainly a lie (by omission), and she was furious that he caught her red-handed. I find her demeanor pretty aggressive - the frustration and sadness comes later.
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Post by Addison's girl on Aug 12, 2012 8:59:06 GMT -5
If she was going to turn down Sam's proposal (which she knew in her heart she was) I see no reason for her to have told David. Do you? And if you want to cut straws no he really wasn't the 'jilted anything' ...if you are jilted you have to be a husband, boyfriend or lover and he wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 16:04:01 GMT -5
I see indeed no sense in telling David about it if she had told Sam no. But according to her she was seriously considering it, and I believe her. She hadn't come to a conclusion yet. And I don't want to cut anything, I'm just pointing out that what she said (and I'm emphasizing the "anything" here) is as hurtful and harsh for him as was his saying in "Next Murder", about not being jealous because that would men "he [McCain] has something I want which he doesn't". And I'm not cutting straw, but cutting down to the bottom of the message she was conveying here - that he was not important enough to be told about the proposal. Even if she didn't mean it in her heart (same as he didn't mean it in NMYH): she said it and it hurt.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 16:08:49 GMT -5
Speaking of cutting LOL we should cut off this debate... I bet we're scaring off our guests, they'll be confused or think we're cliqueish!
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Post by Addison's girl on Aug 12, 2012 16:13:46 GMT -5
Well why doesn't someone else chime in with their opinions? I am sure others to have an opinion..either mine (the right one lol lol) or yours. Feel free guests to chime in and tell us what you think. We won't bite. I promise!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 16:24:29 GMT -5
I am sure others to have an opinion..either mine (the right one lol lol) or yours. My, my, my -- you do sound more and more like Miz Hayes! ;D
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Post by Addison's girl on Aug 12, 2012 16:28:00 GMT -5
Why do I sound like Maddie? Because I am asking people to chime in with their opinions? Oh because she always thinks she is right? Well, so does David! Which is the reason they fight! Both think that their way is the only way then usually toward the end of the episode they usually see things differently. Only to do it over again; day after day, episode after episode.
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Post by imdavidsgirl on Aug 12, 2012 21:55:19 GMT -5
ahhh Maddie and David will never agree! ok sometimes they will like you said at the end of show! but they both were stubborn and both felt they were always right and both didn't speak up enough to each other . the kept quiet at the worst times! they acted like babies! 2 grown ups who werent experienced in real relationships maybe and that scared the crap out of them. but like sure quoted from WOMB? they both felt they loved the other more and was afraid that was true i believe. And if David loved maddie more than what? was he afraid then she'd not love him forever? do you feel David loved maddie more or maddie loved David more or was it equal?
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Post by Addison's girl on Aug 12, 2012 22:46:53 GMT -5
I think they loved each other equally. Maybe like in real life at certain times one loved more than the other but I think they both had an extraordinary passion for the other. (sigh)
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Post by imdavidsgirl on Aug 16, 2012 22:03:37 GMT -5
I think they loved each other equally. Maybe like in real life at certain times one loved more than the other but I think they both had an extraordinary passion for the other. (sigh) Oh I love the extraordinary passion for each other ! SIGH Yes i agree Sue! The loved equally but at times they did doubt that the other loved them the same as they loved the other .
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