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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 17:03:28 GMT -5
Because she said it that doesn't mean it's true...
And when I said you were turning around things I meant when you said "time went by and still no word from him." As if it had been his turn to get in touch. She had pleaded with him to let her call him, and she didn't. Not even when he wrote to her. So, it would be far more appropriate to say that time went on and still no word from her!
And, as you always claim for Maddie - this was David how she knew him perfectly well, and with these words he was laying his heart on the line. I think by the way, she didn't really think he was partying while she was away, not in this situation. She could, should have taken it as a start and call (or write) him back. But still, no word from her. There's no way I can be understanding about this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 17:12:00 GMT -5
So you're saying that she looked open to a serious conversation? To me, her demeanor is reproachful. I guess her "this is nothing of your goddamn business" and the throwing perfect spaceman in his face was also an encouraging opener? And her "you seem to have enjoyed yourself last night", as if that was a bad thing and as if she had not, is pretty reproachful IMO.
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Post by Addison's girl on Jul 25, 2012 18:04:20 GMT -5
When did she throw Sam in his face? All she said was that Sam was offering her a commitment..and what about you David? And he says nothing. And how sad does she look.
And she didn't sound reproachable at all when she says 'You seemed to have enjoyed yourself last night.' Her voice actually sounds shaky to me. She didn't sound at all as if she didn't enjoy herself. I didn't get that at all. He should have said 'Making love to the woman I love. How could I not have enjoyed myself?' Instead of embarrassing her by throwing the 'high c's' in her face.
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Post by Addison's girl on Jul 25, 2012 18:10:56 GMT -5
But still, no word from her. |
It was TWO WEEKS. Maybe it was a long time not to have heard from her but when did she get the letter? It could have been the same day she found out she was pregnant so I guess she wasn't thinking of his misery. and then he went with Rita. Maddie discovered she was pregnant the same night David was with Rita. And then she called David but he was busy um doing other things so she calls Agnes. He calls her the next morning and she tells him not to come to Chicago. Then he gets arrested that day..when he returns there is a message on his machine thanking him for not going to Chicago and telling him she loved him. ;D
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Post by Addison's girl on Jul 25, 2012 18:14:39 GMT -5
I think by the way, she didn't really think he was partying while she was away, not in this situation |
Then why when she was reading the letter did she imagine him having fun and games at the office. They were her thoughts. And what situation? She didn't know how he was suffering? I don't believe Maddie could imagine David suffering for her that much. If she thought that he loved her to that degree she would have been sure of his love and would have never left in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 0:29:17 GMT -5
Oh no, I think in the laundromat scene they both seriously had admitted their feelings to each other. Maddie said well, so we love each other; but if this is love I just can't do it, it's too hard to work it out, something like that. By then, she knew he loved her. And she knew when she left him in that place that he was suffering. You can't tell me she hadn't got to know him at least a bit in those past years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 0:36:59 GMT -5
When did she throw Sam in his face? All she said was that Sam was offering her a commitment..and what about you David? And he says nothing. And how sad does she look. And she didn't sound reproachable at all when she says 'You seemed to have enjoyed yourself last night.' Her voice actually sounds shaky to me. She didn't sound at all as if she didn't enjoy herself. I didn't get that at all. He should have said 'Making love to the woman I love. How could I not have enjoyed myself?' Instead of embarrassing her by throwing the 'high c's' in her face. Well to me it sounded as if he was supposed to say he was sorry for enjoying himself. Obviously, we perceive this differently. And if she really wanted to know how David felt about her (which after the trunk scene I believe she knew, but I understand she wanted more - she always wanted more, wanted perfect), what Sam had or hadn't done had nothing to do with David's feelings. You don't compare a bf with your ex or however you want to call them in this situation. She was making it a competition. I see she was hurt and would have been happy if he had said something, but her approach was completely wrong, especially after the none of your goddamn business line. When David confronted her about the proposal, she should have said I wasn't thinking about it at all last night because it was much more important to me to find out where we two stand.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 0:41:14 GMT -5
Two weeks are a long time if you leave someone hanging like this. And we know she discovered her pregnancy after that. She should have reacted immediately after that. Even if it wd not deliberately so, her silence was cruel. But I guess we just disagree on this point.
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Post by Addison's girl on Jul 26, 2012 5:56:12 GMT -5
And she knew when she left him in that place that he was suffering |
Sorry but he didn't look like he was suffering.
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Post by Addison's girl on Jul 26, 2012 6:04:43 GMT -5
First if she knew how he felt about her after the trunk scene then he should have known how she felt about him (I mean she is the one who went to see him during the middle of the night) and really wouldn't marry Sam. Thinking about this scene I think she that when David confronted her out of the blue about the proposal, she became flustered, angry and confused..maybe not so much at David but at Sam and the whole situation. She hated that David knew Sam had asked her when she was not sure she wanted him to know. That was why I believe she acted the way she did. You don't compare a bf with your ex or however you want to call them in this situation. She was making it a c |
And how was she comparing them? All she said was that Sam is willing to offer me a commitment are you? And from what we see of the later scene in his office when he is watching Divorce Court it seems that why David kept his mouth shut and didn't answer had nothing to do with Sam but on how he felt about marriage and commitment in general. Then when Agnes and Bert go into his office he realizes that he needs to speak because he doesn't want to lose her even if he means he has to commit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 6:26:22 GMT -5
I don't think those were his true feelings. That was an overreaction. Of course she was comparing them - I mean, the question she asked was how did David feel about her. Why did she want to know that? Because she wanted to know if it was worth taking the risk of starting a lrelationship, right? I'm with you so far. But these are things that are to be cleared between the two persons involved, and what a third person feels about me or is willing to offer to me should have nothing to do with what happens between the man I wanna be sure about and me. Darn, I'm not sure if I make my point clear. I mean, the feelings/relationship between Maddie and David shouldn't have been affected by any actions of a third person (Sam). Then why mention it at all? That was making it a competition. In other words: if you love Sam, accept his proposal and how David feels about you shouldn't be of any interest for you, end of story. If you don't love Sam, then tell him you can't marry him and shut up about him and his oh so romantic proposal. And yes, David knew (or at least he thought he knew) what she was feeling about him. That's why he was so upset - he thought they were at the start of something, and she didn't even bother to tell him about that proposal? And when she does she also tells him that she is considering to accept it. If that's not taking two steps back...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 6:29:19 GMT -5
And she knew when she left him in that place that he was suffering |
Sorry but he didn't look like he was suffering. Well, he wasn't crying or something like that, true. Maybe suffering is the wrong word, also because he still had hope. But they had confessed their love to each other, and David had said let's try it, and she had said no, too much too hard work for me. That means she knew he was serious and wanted to give it a try; it's clear that after two weeks of silence he would suffer -- common sense I'd say.
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Post by Addison's girl on Jul 26, 2012 7:51:47 GMT -5
I don't think at this point Maddie was even thinking of David's feelings. She was too wrapped up in her emotional upheaval and yes hormones. When she did take the time to think of him I suppose she knew he was sad but she always saw how he bounced right back to nothing can touch me David so maybe she didn't really imagine he would feel so strongly about her departure.
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Post by Addison's girl on Jul 26, 2012 8:07:56 GMT -5
And when she does she also tells him that she is considering to accept it
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Maybe like Sam tells her later you do want to get married you just don't want to marry me. She was 36 years old and maybe wanted to settle down. She wanted to know that there was hope for her and David before she sent Sam away. Even though I would never do it I can see Maddie considering marrying Sam because after all he was the type of man she was supposed to be with according to everything she was taught when she was growing up. Handsome, educated, refined, a good provider. I think Maddie realized that she did want a home and family and he may be her last chance to get it. Did she love Sam? She said she did so why wouldn't she think about his proposal. And she said she also loved David so she was faced with a dilemma. And i don't find her wanting the two men to compete at all. I can see where she is coming from. She says it for 2 and a half years you haven;'t taken me, my life or my business seriously now there's Sam. And she was right to want to know how David felt about her. What was so wrong that she wanted David to tell her that yes he wanted a future with her. Yes I love you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 8:21:33 GMT -5
Maybe like Sam tells her later you do want to get married you just don't want to marry me. She was 36 years old and maybe wanted to settle down. She wanted to know that there was hope for her and David before she sent Sam away. Even though I would never do it I can see Maddie considering marrying Sam because after all he was the type of man she was supposed to be with according to everything she was taught when she was growing up. Handsome, educated, refined, a good provider. I think Maddie realized that she did want a home and family and he may be her last chance to get it. Yes, those were probably her motives. I can see them too, but I don't like them - as you say, me too I would never do anything like this, or even consider it. Do you really think her feelings for Sam (I refuse to call it love) could be conmpared in any way to the love she felt for David? Do you think they even came near? (No rhetorical or sarcastic question, I really want to know your thoughts about that) Of course I see her logic. I'm just saying that I don' find it right - now there's Sam, so what? To me, it's all a question of loving or not loving a person, period. Of course she wanted to know about David's feelings. And she knew it. But what she really demanded was more than to know if he loved her. She wanted to know which consequences he would take. Well, I don't want to speak in favor of Sam, but - seen from his POV - if she seriously considered marrying Sam, David's feelings for her should not have been of any interest for her. That's not a sign of loyalty to wards the man you consider to marry.
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