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Post by Addison's girl on Nov 11, 2012 13:53:13 GMT -5
What is the real reason Maddie followed David to New York? And did she realize that she loved him?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 15:19:23 GMT -5
I think she had two main reasons: she was dying of curiosity about that mysterious Mrs. Mr. Addison; who could that woman be that had managed to hunt wild Dave down. And she was jealous and worried David might be sucked up by his old life again I think. Obviously she saw his ex-wife as a real man-eater: we know that from her dream. I think she was really worried, the ex could steal him back.
Did she realize she loved him? Oh that's hard to tell. Did she realize it and/or did she admit it to herself? Are these different things? As for the admitting, I don't even know when she admitted it to herself for the first time, so I'm pretty helpless. What's your opinion?
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Post by Addison's girl on Nov 11, 2012 21:49:19 GMT -5
I think she may have realized she was in love with him because of her reaction to his past marriage and how worried she was that he would get back with his ex. I mean not only did she follow him to NY but when he didn't come back to the hotel she actually tracked down his ex and had the audacity to go there! She was probably worrying all day: is he with her? what are they doing? etc. And when he didn't come back to the hotel she probably thought he was with HER. She had to find out what he was up to. I mean she had to be pretty clueless not to have realized her deep feelings for him.
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Post by Addison's girl on Nov 11, 2012 21:53:46 GMT -5
And even the way when she says 'It's not like we have that relationship..it's not like we..' She trails off and again she says nothing. She wanted him to inquire what she meant and maybe say something she wanted to hear lol Anyway, my opinion is that she knew by then she did love him. (I mean look at the way she looks at him on the plane) and this is when she started to get scared and lose it, Next real episode was Blonde on Blonde and look how she acted in the beginning of that. her chastity belt was pinching etc. Do you agree?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 7:38:46 GMT -5
That's the thing with realize versus admitting it to herself. Agree, she would have to be really stupid if she didn't realize it by then. I think I know now what's bothering me with the realizeing/admitting thing, but probably that's just splitting hairs: isn't it necessary to admit something to yourself before you can say you've realized it? And I really don't think she admitted it to herself. But I know what you mean, she was deeply in love with him by then; there's such a naturalness in the way she snuggles up to him. I think she must have known it, but she wasn't ready to admit it, not even to herself. Does that mean she realized it? I guess it's a question of definition.  But I agree, she wanted to hear him contradict her when she said "it's not that we have this kind of relationship". I'm not even going to call it one of her mind games here - I think here it was really legitimate. Of course he should have said something like "listen, I don't know what kind of relationship exactly we have, but I think it's about time we figured it out". I want to kick him here because he doesn't say it! I think that would have been already a huge step ahead. But, of course and as usually, he was as tongue-tied (and maybe confused) as she was.  On the other hand, later, when he came to her room and asked her "you came all the way - why?" she shrugged it off like it was totally unimportant and random, which makes me clench my teeth as well.  Why couldn't she give him at least a "because I care about you and thought that you needed me near"?? I think that wouldn't have been admitting too much, but it would have encouraged him to tiptoe another step nearer. Definitely the perfect scenario for fanfic!! ;D |
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Post by Addison's girl on Nov 12, 2012 9:53:36 GMT -5
yes and this fanfic will be done but I lost the notes when my computer crashed! I do remember most though!
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Post by Addison's girl on Nov 12, 2012 9:56:32 GMT -5
I also think David realized that she must care a great deal about him although he wasn't ready to face it (and I have this other woman back at the hotel I don't know what's going through her mind) because then he would have to act on it and I really don't think at this point he was ready to invest himself in a committed relationship. And David knew that if he made that step with her there would be no turning back...(see season 5 lmao)
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Post by Addison's girl on Nov 12, 2012 9:58:17 GMT -5
| "it's not that we have this kind of relationship" |
He could have just said what do you mean? He should have said SOMETHING!. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 16:56:34 GMT -5
| "it's not that we have this kind of relationship" |
He could have just said what do you mean? He should have said SOMETHING!. Yes didn't I just say that? I was only giving an example of what he could have said without giving away too much - as that was what they were both afraid of IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 16:59:39 GMT -5
I also think David realized that she must care a great deal about him although he wasn't ready to face it (and I have this other woman back at the hotel I don't know what's going through her mind) because then he would have to act on it and I really don't think at this point he was ready to invest himself in a committed relationship. And David knew that if he made that step with her there would be no turning back...(see season 5 lmao) I think they were both on the same level of being ready/not ready yet. Both were too scared of the intensity of their feelings, both were afraid to give away too much without being more sure about the other one. But I think this was a dynamic process - if any of them had made the first move (and even if it was a tiny one) in that hotel room, they could have set the beginning point of a relationship. Taking it slowly, a step at a time. But that was never them. |
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Post by Addison's girl on Nov 12, 2012 18:32:47 GMT -5
I can understand why David was so skittish about laying his heart on the line in a relationship but what about Maddie? Are we supposed to believe from bits and pieces she has thrown out that she was used by men for her looks..How about Sam? He didn't break her heart or use her? Or was most of her problem due to the kind of man David was. He wasn't a nice safe man. He wasn't wealthy or wear the best clothes. He wasn't educated and didn't care much about a great career. He was messy, lewd, loud and was the complete opposite of herself. She wasn't able to control him or the feelings he invoked in her. She couldn't resist him yet she was too scared to give way to her feelings. He oozed sex and that made her nervous. She didn't know if she could trust him. And that is the heart of the matter.   |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2012 8:03:08 GMT -5
I don't think she had had all too bad experiences with men in her life so far, at least we haven't any hints that she'd been bruised before in her life, so that can't be a reason for her shying away from getting close to David. He, on the other hand, had good reasons for being careful. A clear case of once bitten, twice shy or, as said in German, a burnt child avoids the fire.
But honestly, I don't even think that was his reason - surely he wasn't afraid Maddie would just use him (in a bad way LOL). I think his main fear and reason for being careful to admti his feelings was fear of rejection. He was afraid Maddie would push him away, not because she didn't want him or didn't care for him, but because she would think he wasn't good enough for her and could never be.
As for her reasons, I think you've summed them up perfectly: I think in the end the main reason was their being opposite and the knowledge that she couldn't control him (or herself when she was with him) and that she thought she couldn't trust him, whether those feelings were justified or not. His background etc. didn't matter that much.
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Post by Addison's girl on Nov 13, 2012 18:21:03 GMT -5
No I doubt he was afraid Maddie would use him. Like you said he was afraid she would reject him. Even though he may have thought she loved him he couldn't be sure. Until she slept with him then he was sure..too sure LOL
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2012 5:16:56 GMT -5
I don't think he was too sure, I don't think he was sure at all... well, maybe until the moment he heard the word "pact" for the first time.
How could he be sure if from the beginning she pulled her "you're not the one I'm supposed to be with" crap? That was exactly what he had feared all the time, and she didn't stop it. Yes, we know what her reasons were, and here we are again with the problem of not speaking the same language. I'm sure that he thought he was doing everything to show her how he felt. He didn't understand that and why that was not enough (or not the right way) for her. I don't think the reason for his behavior (wanting a lot of sex) was that he didn't care about her feelings or that he was so sure he had her once and for all. I really think he meant to show her his love when he wanted to be with her all the time, day and night, over and over again
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Post by Addison's girl on Nov 14, 2012 6:07:56 GMT -5
It justs seems so smug to me when she is ranting about their relationship in TTTM and he is looking in the mirror fixing his hair. I think by then it was like the boy who cried wolf to him..she kept saying she wanted a pact etc but still she wound up in his arms every night. He thought he had her..actions speak louder than words and by this point he wasn't listening to her.
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Why couldn't she give him at least a "because I care about you and thought that you needed me near"?? I think that wouldn't have been admitting too much, but it would have encouraged him to tiptoe another step nearer.
