Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2012 18:54:30 GMT -5
I have watched this for the first time, and I think it is a good example for what I was thinking about season 5 having seen the yt-snippets.
For starters: given the ending of the last episode (the - I gladly repeat it - almost perfect Shirts and Skins) with the negotiating of the terms of the full equal partnership - what the fuck happened?? Why don't we see them negotiating?? That ending was absolutely promising, and did the writers make anything of it? Nope. Nada.
Then, I really get tired of the way David keeps showing up hungover in season 5. In the earlier seasons it was kinda cute and made me laugh, but here it makes me just sad. Yes, I know, we're supposed to believe he's going back to his old carefree David ways, but... no, that annoys me, and it doesn't ring true to me. At least Maddie's reaction was not to act like she was oh so happy about it, as in Color of Maddie; at least she showed some irritation.
The way Maddie talks about David being lewd, loud, crude etc; things like "sex is the only thing on your mind" etc. - I know, she has said things like that before, in fact, she does that all the time, but here they sound so unkind and loveless to me... I mean, she's acting like she doesn't know there's much more about him than that. In short words, again I get the feeling she is so over him when she talks like that.
But in other moments we get to see thats he isn't - like when she tries to find out if he's dating; that doesn't sound causal and nonchalant to me, although she tries to. The way she acts is very inconsistent IMO, and I think that's very very bad writing.
In general, I think Maddie was written way out of character here. First, the inconsistency I mentioned above. Then her reaction when they followed Nathan and Joleen - I mean, the man could have been the father of his receptionist. He cheats on his wife (or it appears that way - even if they were already separated), and he takes the girl out to an expensive restaurant, shops with her etc. and all Maddie has to say is how cute it is that he pulls out a chair for her?? I don't know, but I would have expected Maddie to despise that: old man "buys" young mistress just because he can, that would have been more like Maddie I think. Remember how she got mad in Next Murder when she thought Paul McCain had boinked a couple of hausfraus? How she ranted about the immoral ways he led his life?
Next thing - is it really believable that Maddie didn't know what to get for David as a present? Seriously?? I mean, how long does she know him? And she may deny it, but we know she loved him and still does - can it be that hard? Get him some tickets for a sports game or something like that. She would have found something personal, I think.
And is it believable that they never gave each others presents? I know she admits later that she didn't , but that's nonsense IMO and we know that David at least gave her the maracas
Then what she says to David about the employees, something like nice to see you're caring about the employees for a change - I was like WUT?? I mean, didn't she always accuse him of caring too much about the employees, of buddying up with them? (and she was partly right there, I might add)
I really don't know what the writers were thinking here when they wrote Maddie like that.
As for the kissing issue - her denying that she was crazy about his kisses was totally in character of course but her reaction in the end... bleurgh, just horrid. I think I ranted enough about that in the other thread LOL
Which brings us to the topic of kissing. I know I'm in the minority, but I can't help it - I'm simply not crazy about the kiss in the end where she lays him over the desk and he is so totally passive. Maybe it's that what bothers me, maybe it's her reaction and the "thank the girls for me" line which I find absolutely horrid, I don't know. Maybe it's also the knowledge that again they were cheating on us and nothing would ever come out of this kiss.
It's not the fact that she's the aggressor here (even if that's not my favorite constellaton), because the kiss at the end of Wonderful Job is kinda similar to this one, but that one I find hot. This here leaves me cold.
What does not leave me cold is the scene where David kisses the girl in his office (I'm ashamed to say I don't know her name - is it Kris? Jamie?), now that is a kiss I really like to see, and if I should choose I would say that this is my favorite scene of this episode.
For starters: given the ending of the last episode (the - I gladly repeat it - almost perfect Shirts and Skins) with the negotiating of the terms of the full equal partnership - what the fuck happened?? Why don't we see them negotiating?? That ending was absolutely promising, and did the writers make anything of it? Nope. Nada.
Then, I really get tired of the way David keeps showing up hungover in season 5. In the earlier seasons it was kinda cute and made me laugh, but here it makes me just sad. Yes, I know, we're supposed to believe he's going back to his old carefree David ways, but... no, that annoys me, and it doesn't ring true to me. At least Maddie's reaction was not to act like she was oh so happy about it, as in Color of Maddie; at least she showed some irritation.
The way Maddie talks about David being lewd, loud, crude etc; things like "sex is the only thing on your mind" etc. - I know, she has said things like that before, in fact, she does that all the time, but here they sound so unkind and loveless to me... I mean, she's acting like she doesn't know there's much more about him than that. In short words, again I get the feeling she is so over him when she talks like that.
But in other moments we get to see thats he isn't - like when she tries to find out if he's dating; that doesn't sound causal and nonchalant to me, although she tries to. The way she acts is very inconsistent IMO, and I think that's very very bad writing.
In general, I think Maddie was written way out of character here. First, the inconsistency I mentioned above. Then her reaction when they followed Nathan and Joleen - I mean, the man could have been the father of his receptionist. He cheats on his wife (or it appears that way - even if they were already separated), and he takes the girl out to an expensive restaurant, shops with her etc. and all Maddie has to say is how cute it is that he pulls out a chair for her?? I don't know, but I would have expected Maddie to despise that: old man "buys" young mistress just because he can, that would have been more like Maddie I think. Remember how she got mad in Next Murder when she thought Paul McCain had boinked a couple of hausfraus? How she ranted about the immoral ways he led his life?
Next thing - is it really believable that Maddie didn't know what to get for David as a present? Seriously?? I mean, how long does she know him? And she may deny it, but we know she loved him and still does - can it be that hard? Get him some tickets for a sports game or something like that. She would have found something personal, I think.
And is it believable that they never gave each others presents? I know she admits later that she didn't , but that's nonsense IMO and we know that David at least gave her the maracas
Then what she says to David about the employees, something like nice to see you're caring about the employees for a change - I was like WUT?? I mean, didn't she always accuse him of caring too much about the employees, of buddying up with them? (and she was partly right there, I might add)
I really don't know what the writers were thinking here when they wrote Maddie like that.
As for the kissing issue - her denying that she was crazy about his kisses was totally in character of course
but her reaction in the end... bleurgh, just horrid. I think I ranted enough about that in the other thread LOLWhich brings us to the topic of kissing. I know I'm in the minority, but I can't help it - I'm simply not crazy about the kiss in the end where she lays him over the desk and he is so totally passive. Maybe it's that what bothers me, maybe it's her reaction and the "thank the girls for me" line which I find absolutely horrid, I don't know. Maybe it's also the knowledge that again they were cheating on us and nothing would ever come out of this kiss.
It's not the fact that she's the aggressor here (even if that's not my favorite constellaton), because the kiss at the end of Wonderful Job is kinda similar to this one, but that one I find hot. This here leaves me cold.
What does not leave me cold is the scene where David kisses the girl in his office (I'm ashamed to say I don't know her name - is it Kris? Jamie?), now that is a kiss I really like to see, and if I should choose I would say that this is my favorite scene of this episode.
